Happy 59th Independence Day India.
Jai Hind!
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good one machi ! Happy Independence Day !
adutha varusham 60-vadham kalyanam panni vechudalama.. ;)
Mothers don't have 60th birthday celebrations..:)
This day..we can truly and happily celebrate when our country emerges as a global leader..
Till then..let's keep the independence spirit high..jai hind!!
An apt quote for today's terror age..gud one,Ram!
Happy Independence day Ram :)
Arun- thanks. 60-vadham kalyaanam enna...we can do anything for the country machchi, stress is on "do" :)
MJ- thanks, and we will keep the spirit high, no doubt :)
Sri- Same to you! :)
of course machi.. do-O-do dhan.. :) btw, high-FIVE machi.. Yesterday was August 17..:)
high-FIVE it is ;)
time poradhe therla... :)
"evil can only be sustained by violence"
Completely Agree!
"withdrawal of support of evil requires complete abstention from violence"
Completely Disagree!
Well there are several kinds of nonviolent evil too. violence is not the only evil around!! Some how im completely disenchanted with this whole freedom concept. what use is freedom if we cannot use it for any progress ?
Naren- how can the second be true if by implication of point one you help sustain violence by not being non-violent?
anon- example of a non-violent evil?
there shud be no "we" in your last sentence. replace it with "I". There are others who are using it for the progress of the society and by extension, themselves...
@Ram
1st statement says
If there is evil then it implies violence is present
but u(& Gandhi) misinterpret it as
If there is violence then it implies evil is present!
& that is how the second statement arises!
"evil can only be sustained by violence"
Naren- u *say* that the above sentence *does not* imply that, if there is evil, then there is invariably violence around, for evil can be sustained *only* by violence?
There is a dialogue in the movie Thambi which goes something like "Ahimsaiya kooda sapthama sonnaa dhaan kaetkareenga". Non-violence doesn't seem to suit this era Ram.
if there is evil, then there is invariably violence around - yes, that i agree!
but this statement - "withdrawal of support of evil requires complete abstention from violence"
assumes that violence may lead to evil, which is what i disagree!
Jammy- possible. i sometimes feel like i belong to the pre-independence era, but i like it that way...
Naren-
if there is evil, then there is invariably violence around -A
evil can only be sustained by violence -B
withdrawal of support of evil requires complete abstention from violence -C
A is not the same as B.
if u agree to B, it invariably means that u also agree to C.
if u just agree to A, it does not mean u agree to C.
u were confusing initially, but this time u r clear.
in other words, u dont agree to B and C, which is what the message is all about.
A is your own statement, and not Mahatma Gandhi's.
@Ram
Let's hav one more -
"violence will help evil" - D
Only D will lead to C.
B is not the same as D.
dei
B says that if there's no violence, there's no evil. agree?**
if yes, abstaining from violence will ensure that there wont be any evil.
B is D with an "only" prefix. and your D does not necessarily imply C, but B most definitely does.
hope we are not going in circles. answer the ** question first before we proceed.
"B says that if there's no violence, there's no evil. agree?" - Agree!
But, Gandhi talks about one-sided abstention from violence, which is NOT absence of violence!
That is why I disagree with the last statement -
"withdrawal of support of evil requires complete abstention from violence"
Gandhi is not talking about one-sided abstention. he says complete abstention. if i try finding out who started it first, there'll never be an end to my quest. and i wudnt know if there'll be complete abstention or not unless i take a step forward and adhere to non-violence...
It doesn't matter who started it first, i would abstain from violence if it is going to end it! But of what purpose will non-violence serve against someone who doesn't accept my code? (who feels proud of using violence!)
Non-violence can be a powerful tool - agreed, but not against someone who doesn't accept your code!
That is why it won't work with terrorists!
code = moral code
Naren- so, not abstaining from violence is going to end it?
i don't see it ending in my lifetime too. but, i hope i'd have the satisfaction of not contributing to it when i leave this world...
Violence can be two-pronged - either it can end or propogate evil.
If we are sure that it can end evil & when all else has failed, it can be used as the last resort!
About your attitude - it can be summarized by ur reply to jammy!
If we are sure that it(you mean non-violence) can end evil & when all else has failed, it can be used as the last resort!
or when we feel confident that violence(it's opposite) can never end evil...it's my conviction that we'll all get there sooner or later.
i meant violence as the last resort & only as retaliation to bring a 'final' end!
(as an example say 2 end world war)
non-violence is the first resort :)
oh, my bad that. clearly was not concentrating :)
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